Honestly? I’m tired of seeing people justify Yurio’s behavior by saying “Oh, he’s fifteen.”
Yes, he’s fifteen and you’re literally reducing his character to nothing but his age.
You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have a personality, doesn’t have motivations, doesn’t have a history, like his entire character is just being fifteen years old.
As though Yurio is nothing but hormones and pubescent rage. If that’s truly the case, I don’t think that makes for a very good character?
But it isn’t because see, that’s the point – being smol and angry and completely and utterly rude is Yurio’s personality (at least at this stage of his life). It’s time to stop waving it off as his being fifteen and accept that that’s what he is.
And yeah, let’s say it altogether: Yurio has been acting like a complete brat recently. It’s time to stop running away from that fact and pretending that everything is fine because the anime is making this pretty clear. I like him but I’m honestly growing sick of his attitude.
Disrespecting his elders, superiors, his fans, his rivals, his rivals’ fans, insulting people left and right, kicking people, rubbing his success in other’s faces – they’re all things that he does and do you really want to wave that off as an “age thing”. “Oh, he’s a kid, he doesn’t understand.” Really, now? I mean, I’m sure that there are 15-year-olds out there like that and who can relate to that, but 90% of them also realize what they’re doing and do it on purpose.
I think we can hold him responsible for those things at the very least? He’s in full control of his actions, even if he’s young. And see, I’m not saying that you can’t like him – I think he can be very likable. But it’s time to stop pretending like he’s an innocent little angel who never does anything wrong when he’s badmouthing someone literally every episode (usually for no good reason). It’s time to accept how violent and rude he can be and how flawed he essentially is.
And see, here you could say “That’s because he had a difficult past!”. To be honest though…? We don’t know. Maybe he did! Maybe he didn’t. ‘Maybe’s don’t get us anywhere though, so we can drop that argument. We just don’t know.
And then I’m sure some people are willing to say “But he still deserves to win the Grand Prix because he worked hard for it!”. Oh, he did, didn’t he? Just like
you know
maybe
literally every other skater in this show?
There is not a single person in the six who qualified to the Grand Prix Finale that didnot work hard. Maybe we don’t see it, but JJ wasn’t born with his skills either, Chris spent at least ten years perfecting his skills, we know how hard Phichit worked to get his performance across to people and similar can be said for Otabek. And Yuuri? We know just how much Yuuri had to go through to get there – not just physically (although he practiced a lot as well) but mentally.
Literally all of them deserve that gold medal in similar amounts.
Sure, Yurio worked harder this season, that’s true. But it’s not like his work is not paying off? He got two silver medals and for a debut that’s good. It was also mentioned that he got gold in a different competition (Guang Hong was there too). And he broke a world record for God’s sake. And he still has the European championships ahead of him. Not to mention, like another ten years of competing in the Grand Prix Final. He has plenty of time to see his work pay off. It’s not time for him to win yet. Certainly not with that attitude.
And then some people go “It’s a competition judging your skills, not judging your personality!” Yes, that’s true. But this competition exists within an anime which is created by real life people which decide who wins and who loses. And do you really think they will let the brat get away with what he does just because he ‘worked hard’? Nah, mate. I can already see his fall during the Free Skate. It will be painful and glorious.
But that’s a good thing! Because that’s what will make Yurio grow! Maybe even help him grow out of his violent tendencies and into a more humble skater who can win with grace. Think of Victor. How did he act when he won? Certainly not like this, and we all know that Victor knows he’s amazing, but that doesn’t mean that he shows it like an arrogant ass at every step of the way. That’s where Yurio’s character needs to go – in the direction of humility and modesty. Because what’s a victory worth if it will simply fuel his ego and his unacceptable behavior?
At the end of the day, being fifteen isn’t an excuse and narratively speaking, it’s time for Yurio to learn a lesson.
Losing to “that pig” Yuuri would certainly be a good opportunity for that.
I love Yurio but it’s high time for some character development. We’ll love him all the more when he grows as a person.
Thank you. Seriously, it makes me so happy when people bring this up. I love Yurio, I think he has a gooey center in there somewhere, and I believe in his potential. But his age, and his past (which we know nothing about and only assume is tragic) don’t excuse his actions. Perhaps there’s a good reason why he’s violent, entitled, and arrogant, but that doesn’t make any of that okay. He needs to change. He needs to learn some humility. Being proud of who you are, of your hard work and your achievements doesn’t give you the green light to be an asshole to everyone else.
I get that people relate to him. He’s a confused, angsty, hormonal
teenager. But he can be so much more than that, and given his
personality it won’t happen without a few stumbling blocks on the way.
Viktor was a prodigy, too, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t go around
kicking people, calling them pigs and bitches, and mocking other
competitors when they got outscored.
And I also see people saying it’s not fair to ‘punish’ Yurio, etc, by making him lose. But it’s not a punishment. From a narrative point of view, it can be his catalyst for change. He’s got his world record. That doesn’t mean other people are unworthy or lesser, and it would be nice if he finally came to terms with that.
And one last thing. If anyone says that ‘oh but he’s 15 he’s still learning how the world works’ >_> yeah. He is. He’s a teen. A lot of teens that age have a whole plenty of foot in mouth moments. But he’s also not a fucking idiot. He’s not being insensitive and oblivious. He’s out of control, he’s violent, he has cruel tendencies, and he will not grow out of them if everyone makes excuses for the way he acts. I know plenty of 15 year olds, I was also one not too long ago, and honestly I did not know a single one that acted the way he does. Which is fine, because it’s a show, but people need to stop saying that him being 15 means he somehow doesn’t know right from wrong. He knows exactly what he’s doing. His personality is flawed. Which is not a bad thing at all, but the point is that unless he GROWS somehow, he’s going to turn into a cardboard cutout character with no depth and nothing but rage and assholeness powering him through life.
^Such a good response that I just had to reblog it.
Ok, I need to address the major fandom freakouts I’ve witnessed about episode 11. Basically, Kubo knows how to write anxiety, and specifically self-esteem related anxiety, extremely well. Frustratingly, painfully well. Still this
This is what we call narrative tension. Ending abruptly on this ambiguous line is meant to be a cliffhanger and make us suffer because we only have one episode left and we can’t go into the last episode with no narrative tension (say, Yuuri placing first and being super lovey-dovey with Victor) or else there would be no stakes. It doesn’t mean the series will end badly.
1. Yuuri messed up Eros because he wasn’t focused on love
As soon as Yuuri talked about changing the jumps and compared his program to JJ, I knew he would mess up. Yuuri’s performances rely on his mental state a lot, Eros in particular always has him adopting a very particular persona to pull through. We had none of that in episode 11. Yuuri is too focused on landing the quadruple flip and forgets to focus on love, and he ends up failing the jump but also losing presentation points. It’s why his score is lower than usual for a performance he had perfected before.
I also feel that the thing about Eros is that Yuuri’s original motivation is gone. Eros is about enticing and seducing a target and so far Yuuri’s focused all of that on Victor. Yuuri doesn’t need to seduce Victor anymore and he’s not trying to do that at all, so the message he’s trying to convey with Eros is not working anymore. He aimed too hight because of anxiety instead of focusing on delivering the same sort of perfect Eros performance we’ve seen from him before. In a way though, you could say he reached the limit of what he can do with Eros, but not with Yuri on Ice, which is why I believe he will ace his Free skate with a perfect Yuri on Ice performance next episode, thus surpassing himself and completing his self-improvement journey.
2. Victor and Yuri are not breaking up, but they are on completely different wavelengths when it comes to the relationship
Let’s get this one out of the way since it seems to be the major source of panic. “Let’s end this” is ambiguous, just so we can suffer the most. Yuuri can mean the coach-skater relationship, he can mean the romantic relationship, he can mean both. I would hope he means the first. If we follow through his thought process along the season however…he probably means both. In the sense that, he probably feels like ending the coach-skater relationship, as he intends to do, will end any sort of relationship he has left with Victor. So what he’s saying is that he wants to retire and let Victor go as a coach, but what he’s feeling probably goes beyond that, even if he doesn’t actually break up with Victor.
This isn’t new information. Yuuri has been unsure about his future in skating since episode 1. He’s been doubting his entire relationship with Victor and wether he will stay or not since episode 2. The types of looks we’ve seen Yuuri sending Victor this episode are not new.
Yuuri has always believed, as he expressed back in episode 4, that his time with Victor was a limited blessing. He believes that Victor will inevitably go back to Russia and skating like everybody around them says he should do. Yes, even after Victor kissed him on international television, even after Victor announced that they were engaged to be married, you can bet Yuuri still believes that Victor’s love is purely conditional and dependent on Yuuri’s skating performances and that this relationship is only temporary. Because Yuuri’s type of anxiety is that type that makes him hear “We’ll get married after he wins gold at the Grand Prix.” as “We’ll get married only if he wins gold at the Grand Prix and thus deserves it.”
There’s been moments he has believed otherwise, of course. The airport scene I’m sure calmed him down, most of episode 10 as well, he probably believed for a moment that maybe this was it, maybe it was real and he deserved this lasting happiness. But then he’s at the Grand Prix and messed up his Eros performance and watched Victor appreciate other skaters doing better than him, so he’s back to questioning everything that’s ever come to pass between him and Victor because right now Yuuri is very set on the “I’m not good enough for him and am just holding him back.” mindset.
Victor meanwhile? Having the time of his life! I mean I should hope nobody gets so caught up in Yuuri’s POV that we start to doubt Victor’s feelings when we had an entire episode narrated by him about said feelings. Victor was leading a lonely and empty existence where he felt like he couldn’t rely on anyone and like he was prisioner to his carreer. Until Yuuri came along, and now he’s finally enjoying life, he’s in love, he’s at peace, he’s free to see fellow skaters as friends and not just rivals. The tiny amount of Victor POV in this episode only reinforces this.
Victor is having a grand time and he’s so invested in Yuuri, so focused, so in love, so ready to marry him on the spot, which is why he doesn’t realize that Yuuri’s anxiety is not exclusively over skating performance anymore but over their relationship as well.
That said, they definitely love each other and they both want to stay together. So this is good. I mentioned this before, they desperately need to talk and let out all their feelings towards each other. This will make things better in the long run. Remember, Yuuri is making assumptions on what Victor actually wants. It’s time Victor tells him exactly what that is, because no matter what it will include staying with Yuuri. They need to discuss the future, together.
They won’t break up.
3. Yuuri is not out of character nor is he experiencing character regression
Yuuri has an anxiety disorder. I’ve discussed this before. Yes Yuuri has progressed very far, yes Yuuri has gained more self-confidence. That doesn’t make the anxiety go away. Victor’s love doesn’t make the anxiety go away. It flaring up at the Grand Prix, when he’s at the peak of pressure? Completely understandable. Especially when you consider his anxiety in particular is connected to his self-esteem and how you see the way his self-esteem works. Basically, Yuuri measures his self worth through his achievements and recently in his life, particularly through Victor. Remember, Yuuri believes Victor’s main interest in Yuuri comes from Yuuri’s skating. So messing up Eros, even if not much? Was a huge blow. Watching Victor happily watch and appreciate other skaters who are doing better than Yuuri? An even bigger one.
Yuuri still doesn’t know what really happened between him and Victor at the banquet last year. He doesn’t know any of the things Victor monologued about to us, the audience. For Yuuri, the only thing keeping Victor around is whatever special spark he saw in his skating in that video. So Yuuri feels he’s losing that spark since he’s underperforming, he feels like he’s not good enough anymore to keep Victor around. Victor didn’t say anything to Yuuri after his short program and then spent the rest of his time looking and even complimenting other skaters. In Yuuri’s head, Victor is disappointed with him.
Thus Yuuri also feels, most likely, that he’s hurting Victor and taking advantage of him. He feels guilty for keeping Victor to himself all these months. If Victor remains his coach he will be unhappy, that’s what Yuuri believes. Hell, he probably thinks he’s been forcing himself on Victor. He asked Victor to stay over the Hot Springs on Ice, he asks again later that he stays until he retires, he gives him the ring first, all of this is probably weighting down on him in the shape of terrible guilt because he loves Victor so much and he wants Victor to be happy.
So, there’s this panic response your brain has to extreme levels of anxiety, which is self-sabotage. Self-sabotage gives you the illusion of being more in control of the situation. Yuuri feels like the relationship with Victor, be it coach-skate or romantic, is doomed to fail, so he decides to end it, to free Victor himself before Victor loses interest and leaves on his own. Things still fall apart but he controls how they fall apart, which is less stressful for his anxiety muddled mind. That, and he gets rid of his crippling guilt over ‘holding Victor back’.
Everything about Yuuri’s actions and thoughts in this episode make sense.
4. EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT
So way back before episode 7 graced us all with that kiss and canon status, I believed that we would only achieve said canon status in episode 12 and the way I thought it would happen would be through Victor skating “Stay Close to Me” to Yuuri, thus confessing his feelings. Then episode 7 happened and I was a bit confused about the scene. Because the scene is totally happening, we have the duet version of the song in the soundtrack, the opening scene in the anime is clearly half a flashforward to that scene, so I knew it would still happen but I didn’t know how they would make it emotionally significant. Now, I think it might be the ultimate reassurance Victor can offer Yuuri about his feelings.
Reassurance, that’s what.
Victor can’t make Yuuri’s anxiety go away, that’s not how it works. But this series is about love. Love wins, love makes Yuuri stronger. Anxiety may not magically disappear but it can be fought against, it can be overcome. So everything will be alright, they will be alright, Yuuri will be alright.
Speaking of music and how it works as meta-narrative in this series, if you still feel unsure, go listen to the Yuri on Ice track. Listen to it, think about how it mirrors the entire story of Yuuri over the course of the series, and note how it ends in a joyful harmony between the piano and the violin.
I think it’s important to drop some facts and maybe some discussion on Otabek and Yurio as a romantic ship, since it’s such a heated topic. It’s better that things get discussed rather than argued over. So, episode 10 was slaying life. And then Mr. Hot-Mysterious-Motorcycle-Guy saved our Russian kitten from literally all of us his fans.
Literally, we all know that the show is hinting. The dialogue isn’t romantic, but the feeling is there.
So! Into the boring shit we go!
Firstly: By loose definition (Wikipedia and a dictionary,) pedophilia is a psychiatric diagnosis in which a person over the age of sixteen is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Is Otabek over sixteen? Yes. Is Yurio pre-pubescent? No. It can be pretty much assumed that, as he is fifteen, he has hit puberty already. Don’t get me wrong, there could be special circumstance, and at one point Yurio mentioned something in dialogue about him needing to skate as much as he can before his ‘body changes’ or something along those lines, but it doesn’t make much sense to look super far into these things. He’s fifteen. Generally, that is not going to be a pre-pubescent age, or even an early pubescent age.
After some research, another way I found pedophilia diagnosed was as an adult(18+)’s attraction to a minor of a five year or higher age gap. How many years span between Otabek and Yuri? Three. Age of consent between minors and adults in both Yurio’s and Otabek’s home country? Sixteen. As soon as Yurio is sixteen, he is legally able to consent sexually. And aside from that, I’m damn near sure that Yurio is going to turn 16 relatively soon.
So there’s the boring shit. Would Otabek having sex with Yurio at this exact point in the show be considered illegal? Yes. Pedophilia? No.
But that is beside the point. To those thinking that anyone shipping Yurio and Otabek is pedophilia… Why would a Yurio-Otabek relationship instantly need to involve sex?Healthy relationships, particularly not teen ones, don’t tend to work that way, if I am not mistaken.
Generally, falling in love with someone seems to begin with friends. Friends for whatever reason.
Sometimes friends simply for the sake of needing a friend.
Those friends then bond more closely through mutually shared ideas, thoughts and interests. After time is spent together, however long that may be, they build trust for each other, and… They fall in love. This is how Yuri & Otabek’s relationship has begun. It may not play out in this way, but…
It doesn’t matter at this point that Yurio is fifteen, because right now, he is only just getting to know Otabek. They are starting out as friends, and getting to know each other. Their relationship doesn’t have to be sexualized, because they aren’t on that level yet, and at the pace they are going, they likely wouldn’t reach that level for quite some time. By the time that level of care for each other is reached, they would likely be of an age in which it wouldn’t matter.
Not only this, but both Otabek and Yurio seem to be getting along well. They’re fairly alike. Even Otabek seems to think so.
They’re both quiet, stoic little things. They probably have mutual interests.
They’re simply enjoying each other’s company. Very non-sexually, might I add. They have so much potential as a healthy, beautiful relationship.